Jan 16, 2019 · 21m · mad

Building An Info Layer for Personal Health // Allon Bloch, K Health (FirstMark's Data Driven NYC)

Allon Bloch · 17m spoken Matt Turck · 47s spoken
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In a presentation at FirstMark's Data Driven NYC, K Health Co-Founder and CEO Allon Bloch introduces how machine learning and a massive longitudinal clinical dataset are transforming personal healthcare through AI-powered diagnostic tools. He demonstrates K Health's consumer application and outlines a vision for software-driven primary care that delivers accurate, personalized medical information at a fraction of traditional costs.

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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Matt holds 4.7% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Matt as informed peer 1.0 Guest teaching 5.6 Guest disagreement 1.6 Matt pushing back 1.2
05100:0010:0020:000:14–2:50 · Matt as informed peer 0/10 Data Silos and the Pitfalls of Online Search This is a solo presentation segment without any host involvement. Allon Bloch highlights the flawed nature of searching symptoms on WebMD/Google and the absurdly inflated cost of US healthcare compared to military spending.2:50–6:15 · Matt as informed peer 0/10 The Core Concept: 'You Are Not Patient Zero' The presentation continues without host participation. Bloch outlines K Health's core premise that 'you are not patient zero' and details licensing 20 years of unstructured data and 80 million doctor notes from an Israeli HMO.6:15–12:06 · Matt as informed peer 0/10 K Health Product Architecture and Care Model Bloch conducts an extended app demo during his talk. He educates the audience on medical differential diagnosis and the 'rule out' principle using the medical metaphor of horses versus zebras.12:06–14:44 · Matt as informed peer 0/10 Automated Follow-Up and Life-Saving Case Study Bloch wraps up his keynote presentation with a real-life user case study where K Health's follow-up protocol caught a ruptured appendicitis and saved a patient's life.14:44–21:15 · Matt as informed peer 5/10 Audience Q&A and Strategic Discussion Host Matt Turck opens Q&A by challenging machine learning's reliability and liability risks in healthcare. Bloch pushes back on the premise, noting traditional doctors do not measure accuracy either and WebMD is far worse.0:14–2:50 · Guest teaching 5/10 Data Silos and the Pitfalls of Online Search This is a solo presentation segment without any host involvement. Allon Bloch highlights the flawed nature of searching symptoms on WebMD/Google and the absurdly inflated cost of US healthcare compared to military spending.2:50–6:15 · Guest teaching 5/10 The Core Concept: 'You Are Not Patient Zero' The presentation continues without host participation. Bloch outlines K Health's core premise that 'you are not patient zero' and details licensing 20 years of unstructured data and 80 million doctor notes from an Israeli HMO.6:15–12:06 · Guest teaching 6/10 K Health Product Architecture and Care Model Bloch conducts an extended app demo during his talk. He educates the audience on medical differential diagnosis and the 'rule out' principle using the medical metaphor of horses versus zebras.12:06–14:44 · Guest teaching 6/10 Automated Follow-Up and Life-Saving Case Study Bloch wraps up his keynote presentation with a real-life user case study where K Health's follow-up protocol caught a ruptured appendicitis and saved a patient's life.14:44–21:15 · Guest teaching 6/10 Audience Q&A and Strategic Discussion Host Matt Turck opens Q&A by challenging machine learning's reliability and liability risks in healthcare. Bloch pushes back on the premise, noting traditional doctors do not measure accuracy either and WebMD is far worse.0:14–2:50 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Data Silos and the Pitfalls of Online Search This is a solo presentation segment without any host involvement. Allon Bloch highlights the flawed nature of searching symptoms on WebMD/Google and the absurdly inflated cost of US healthcare compared to military spending.2:50–6:15 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Core Concept: 'You Are Not Patient Zero' The presentation continues without host participation. Bloch outlines K Health's core premise that 'you are not patient zero' and details licensing 20 years of unstructured data and 80 million doctor notes from an Israeli HMO.6:15–12:06 · Guest disagreement 1/10 K Health Product Architecture and Care Model Bloch conducts an extended app demo during his talk. He educates the audience on medical differential diagnosis and the 'rule out' principle using the medical metaphor of horses versus zebras.12:06–14:44 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Automated Follow-Up and Life-Saving Case Study Bloch wraps up his keynote presentation with a real-life user case study where K Health's follow-up protocol caught a ruptured appendicitis and saved a patient's life.14:44–21:15 · Guest disagreement 4/10 Audience Q&A and Strategic Discussion Host Matt Turck opens Q&A by challenging machine learning's reliability and liability risks in healthcare. Bloch pushes back on the premise, noting traditional doctors do not measure accuracy either and WebMD is far worse.0:14–2:50 · Matt pushing back 0/10 Data Silos and the Pitfalls of Online Search This is a solo presentation segment without any host involvement. Allon Bloch highlights the flawed nature of searching symptoms on WebMD/Google and the absurdly inflated cost of US healthcare compared to military spending.2:50–6:15 · Matt pushing back 0/10 The Core Concept: 'You Are Not Patient Zero' The presentation continues without host participation. Bloch outlines K Health's core premise that 'you are not patient zero' and details licensing 20 years of unstructured data and 80 million doctor notes from an Israeli HMO.6:15–12:06 · Matt pushing back 0/10 K Health Product Architecture and Care Model Bloch conducts an extended app demo during his talk. He educates the audience on medical differential diagnosis and the 'rule out' principle using the medical metaphor of horses versus zebras.12:06–14:44 · Matt pushing back 0/10 Automated Follow-Up and Life-Saving Case Study Bloch wraps up his keynote presentation with a real-life user case study where K Health's follow-up protocol caught a ruptured appendicitis and saved a patient's life.14:44–21:15 · Matt pushing back 6/10 Audience Q&A and Strategic Discussion Host Matt Turck opens Q&A by challenging machine learning's reliability and liability risks in healthcare. Bloch pushes back on the premise, noting traditional doctors do not measure accuracy either and WebMD is far worse.

speaking balance: gold is Matt, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%0:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%3:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%3:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%6:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%6:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%9:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%9:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%12:00 · Matt 8.5% · guest 91.5%12:00 · Matt 8.5% · guest 91.5%15:00 · Matt 25.2% · guest 74.8%15:00 · Matt 25.2% · guest 74.8%18:00 · Matt 0.7% · guest 99.3%18:00 · Matt 0.7% · guest 99.3%21:00 · Matt 5.7% · guest 94.3%21:00 · Matt 5.7% · guest 94.3%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 15:27 Allon Bloch rejects premise on ML accuracy and doctor perfection

Bloch rejects the host's underlying premise regarding accuracy concerns by pointing out that traditional doctors do not even track their own accuracy rates and 60 million people currently rely on flawed WebMD searches anyway.

Hardest push from Matt ▶ 14:44 Matt Turck presses on AI liability and diagnostic errors

Turck directly challenges Bloch on the inherent fallibility of machine learning models and asks how the company handles responsibility when incorrect diagnostic analysis occurs.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 7:45 Explaining differential diagnosis and the 'rule out' concept

Bloch educates the audience on how clinical diagnostic thinking works, using the medical adage of ruling out common horses before rare zebras.

Matt holds his own ▶ 14:44 Matt Turck highlights machine learning failure modes in medicine

Turck demonstrates domain understanding of machine learning limitations, noting that while ML excels at processing massive data, its lack of 100% reliability poses unique dangers in clinical diagnostics.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicMatt as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementMatt pushing backWhy
Data Silos and the Pitfalls of Online Search 0510 This is a solo presentation segment without any host involvement. Allon Bloch highlights the flawed nature of searching symptoms on WebMD/Google and the absurdly inflated cost of US healthcare compared to military spending.
The Core Concept: 'You Are Not Patient Zero' 0510 The presentation continues without host participation. Bloch outlines K Health's core premise that 'you are not patient zero' and details licensing 20 years of unstructured data and 80 million doctor notes from an Israeli HMO.
K Health Product Architecture and Care Model 0610 Bloch conducts an extended app demo during his talk. He educates the audience on medical differential diagnosis and the 'rule out' principle using the medical metaphor of horses versus zebras.
Automated Follow-Up and Life-Saving Case Study 0610 Bloch wraps up his keynote presentation with a real-life user case study where K Health's follow-up protocol caught a ruptured appendicitis and saved a patient's life.
Audience Q&A and Strategic Discussion 5646 Host Matt Turck opens Q&A by challenging machine learning's reliability and liability risks in healthcare. Bloch pushes back on the premise, noting traditional doctors do not measure accuracy either and WebMD is far worse.

Statements from this episode (9)

Opinion
Bloch: US electronic medical records are built for billing, not patient care
“It's all built for billing, especially, especially in America.”
Allon Bloch Jan 16, 2019 ▶ 0:49
Opinion
Bloch: Popular clinical system UpToDate looks like software from 1990
“If you use the content management systems that doctors use in hospitals or in clinics, ah, the most popular one is UpToDate. It looks like a content management system from 1990 or 1985. It's a heuristic-driven system. It doesn't really help you understand, ah,…”
Allon Bloch Jan 16, 2019 ▶ 3:18
Disclosure
K Health licenses 20-year medical dataset from Israeli HMO
“So we license a very large data set from an HMO out in Israel that has about 20 years of data.”
Allon Bloch Jan 16, 2019 ▶ 4:46
Disclosure
K Health trained its diagnostic AI on 80 million doctors' notes
“So we essentially took eighty million doctor's notes that have all these different symptoms and sub, sub-symptoms And in, ah, diagnosis and treatment, and tied them all in together, and essentially trade a machine through ontology, ah, to build a differential …”
Allon Bloch Jan 16, 2019 ▶ 5:46
Assertion Supported
K Health reached 500,000 users within six months of launch
“We have about half a million people, but we just launched our product about six months ago.”
Allon Bloch Jan 16, 2019 ▶ 6:16
Disclosure
Bloch: K Health's AI is not a rules-based decision tree
“There's no decision trees here. This is not a rules-based system.”
Allon Bloch Jan 16, 2019 ▶ 8:48
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Mayo Clinic doctors lack clinical data as rich as K Health's
“And just to be very clear, a doctor in Mayo Clinic does not have access to this information. There's no medical grade system that allows you to compare yourself to a data set that's as rich and relevant as you are.”
Allon Bloch Jan 16, 2019 ▶ 9:14
Disclosure
Comcast invested in K Health and is deploying to 200,000 employees
“Comcast is a big investor, and they're rolling out a KR too. They have about 200,000 employees.”
Allon Bloch Jan 16, 2019 ▶ 17:13
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Bloch: Apple, Amazon, and Google will likely compete in personal health
“And plus, you have Apple, Amazon, and Google that are very likely to be in this market and probably compete directly here.”
Allon Bloch Jan 16, 2019 ▶ 17:29
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