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Shackleton: Career ladders flip employee focus from company to individual

Lane Shackleton · What sets great teams apart | Lane Shackleton (CPO of Coda) · Oct 1, 2023 · at 13:15

Lane Shackleton, CPO of Coda, discusses why the company intentionally postponed implementing formal career levels and ladders.

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“As soon as you introduce this, then the incentives sort of like flipped from being company focused to being individual focused.”

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