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Mann: Global AI capex is on track to reach trillions

Ben Mann · Anthropic co-founder: AGI predictions, leaving OpenAI, what keeps him up at night | Ben Mann · Jul 20, 2025 · at 7:19

Anthropic co-founder Ben Mann explains why nine-figure talent packages are small relative to the exponential growth of global AI capex.

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“Like, if you extrapolate the exponential on how much companies are spending, it's like two, two x a year, roughly, in terms of capex, and today we're maybe in the, like, globally, three hundred billion dollar range, the entire industry spending on this and so numbers like hundred million are a drop in the bucket, but if you go a few years out, a couple more doublings, we're talking about trillions of dollars”

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