Nov 20, 2024 · 26m · lennys-podcast
How To Do The Product Review Right (By Doing It Wrong) | Lenny & Friends Summit 2024
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At the Lenny & Friends Summit 2024, Figma leaders Mohika and Yuki Yamashita provide a counterintuitive guide to product reviews, demonstrating how individual contributors and executives can build long-term trust by discarding traditional presentation rituals.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. How this is scored →
Lenny as informed peer 0.0 Guest teaching 0.0 Guest disagreement 1.5 Lenny pushing back 0.0
speaking balance: gold is Lenny, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 7:20 Telling PMs to invite violent reactions
Yuki directly rejects standard PM advice about gradual context-building, urging presenters to push for controversial punchlines upfront to provoke immediate engagement.
Hardest push from Lenny ▶ 0:57 Roleplaying an aggressive review takeoverMohika repeatedly cuts off Yuki's presentation setup with sharp next commands in a simulated Travis Kalanick review dynamic.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 2:44 Educating audience on true review purposeMohika corrects the standard industry assumption that product reviews exist to choose between options, teaching that their real function is securing stakeholder trust.
Lenny holds their own ▶ 16:05 Invoking executive fast-forward thought experimentYuki cites Jeff Holden's method of forcing PMs to predict experiment outcomes on the spot to cut out unnecessary delays.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Lenny as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Lenny pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| The Broken Product Review Experience | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | This is a dual-speaker presentation with no active host participation. Yuki and Mohika roleplay an aggressive review and challenge the conventional premise that product reviews exist solely to make decisions. | |
| Rule 1: Start with the Punchline | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | Yuki attacks standard corporate presentation wisdom, arguing that setting up context bores executives and advocating for immediately showing controversial punchlines. | |
| Rule 2: Make a Meme to Go Internally Viral | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | Mohika explains why PMs should avoid trying to cover all their bases and instead focus on creating an internal meme and memorable anchor metric. | |
| Rule 3: Share Your Gut Instead of Circling Back | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | Yuki critiques the common practice of promising to circle back on unanswered questions, advising PMs to share their imperfect gut assumptions immediately. | |
| Rule 4: Treat Your Idea with Skepticism | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | Mohika illustrates how overly optimistic green-light decks fail with executives, requiring PMs to proactively showcase skepticism and address downsides. | |
| Debunking the Myth of the Sacred Product Review | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | Yuki and Mohika conclude by debunking the idea that product reviews are monumental green-light events, arguing the real work happens outside the room. |
Statements from this episode (11)
Kapoor: Building trust is the most important outcome of product reviews
“We actually think that the most important outcome that can come out of our product review is not just making a decision, but building trust. And winning over your key stakeholders.”
Yamashita: Product Reviews Should Lead With the Controversial Punchline
“In a review, we really believe you should start with the punchline, not to build up context and all the suspense, but rather go quickly to the part that feels controversial, the thing that will cause everyone to pay attention and actually engage in the convers…”
Figma Uses an 'Alignment Widget' to Surface Review Disagreements
“One ritual that we like to do in Figma is actually have what we call this alignment widget, where we solicit everyone's opinions and see where the misalignment might be so that a PM is spending the time honing in on the areas where there's the most disconnect …”
Kapoor: PMs should create internal memes instead of covering all bases
“If you're saying everything, chances are what everyone else is hearing is kind of nothing. And so we think that rather than covering all your bases, what you should actually be coaching PMs to do, Is to make a meme and go internally viral within the company.”
Kapoor: Over 3.5M Users Built Slide Decks in Figma Design Last Year
“Specifically, that over 3.5 million people had made slide decks in Figma design over the last year.”
Yamashita: PMs should share gut instincts instead of circling back later
“Instead of always just circling back and following up later, which is probably what a lot of PMs do, tell your PMs that they should be unafraid to at least share their gut. And so often, you know, we live in a world where people don't have the perfect informat…”
Yamashita: Asking PMs to imagine future experiment results speeds alignment
“He'd tell us to fast forward to that day when the experiment is over, when that sprint is done. And he asked what we thought we'd see at that point. And I like that framing a lot because it kind of lowers the stakes. We all know we're guessing, and it created …”
Kapoor: Highlighting only positives in reviews makes executives distrust you
“A common tactic that folks employ is to only talk about the really positive things. Only talk about all the reasons that this would be an exciting investment, like this outdoes all the others, and more. But chances are, if you're trying to go ahead and only ta…”
Kapoor: Figma Slides hackathon demo was rejected despite company-wide excitement
“The first was Maker Week, which is our internal hackathon at Figma. This was the forum where I initially tried to get buy-in for the idea. I worked with a team, walked around the New York office, and convinced a bunch of designers and engineers to work on this…”
Yamashita: The Best PMs Leverage Stakeholders' Emotional and Distracted Nature in Reviews
“In a review, all the stakeholders are ultimately human beings who have short attention spans, who get easily distracted, are context switching, and need to be guided along, and who are ultimately emotional creatures who are swayed by how the review makes them …”