product owner

also referred to as: product owners

14 statements across 6 episodes · 1 bullish · 9 bearish · 5 people on the record · first statement Aug 21, 2022 by Marty Cagan · across every show →

Everything said about product owner, oldest first

Aug 21, 2022 negative
Opinion
Cagan: Product owner is an administrative role lacking PM skills
“I hate the idea of those companies that have separate product owners because product owner is just an administrative role. Product owners almost never have the skills to be a product manager.”
Marty Cagan Aug 21, 2022 ▶ 38:55 The nature of product | Marty Cagan, Silicon Valley Product Group
Aug 21, 2022 negative
Opinion
Cagan: Most agile coaches teaching product owners have never done product
“And those product owners are taught by agile coaches, most of which have never done product for a day in their life. All they know is process.”
Marty Cagan Aug 21, 2022 ▶ 49:19 The nature of product | Marty Cagan, Silicon Valley Product Group
Dec 29, 2022 negative
Opinion
Cagan: Product Owners Almost Never Have the Skills to Be PMs
“You know, I hate the idea of those companies that have separate product owners because product owner is just an administrative role. Product owners almost never have the skills to be a product manager.”
Marty Cagan Dec 29, 2022 ▶ 51:47 Countdown of the top 10 episodes of the year
Mar 10, 2024 negative
Opinion
Cagan: The product owner should not be a dedicated full-time role
“A product owner is at one extreme. And honestly, That is a role in a delivery process that has no business being a dedicated person really doesn't. And most teams I know the senior engineer could do it better anyway.”
Marty Cagan Mar 10, 2024 ▶ 28:09 Product management theater | Marty Cagan (Silicon Valley Product Group)
Nov 10, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
Rachitsky: Major tech companies hire product managers, not product owners
“Google has no product owners as far as they know. Amazon, Microsoft, Netflix, like no company you, you've heard of that's a tech company has a product owner. They have, or they're all product managers. They're all product managers.”
Lenny Rachitsky Nov 10, 2024 ▶ 1:02:45 Everything you’ve ever wanted to know about SAFe and the product owner role | Melissa Perri
Nov 10, 2024 negative
Insight
Perri: Product owner certifications omit essential skills like research and data
“When people get trained to be a product owner, it's usually a two-day class where they teach them, hey, this is how you break down a backlog. This is how you do stand-ups with your teams. This is how you think about prioritizing work. This is how you manage yo…”
Melissa Perri Nov 10, 2024 ▶ 18:37 Everything you’ve ever wanted to know about SAFe and the product owner role | Melissa Perri
Nov 10, 2024 negative
Opinion
Perri: SAFe turns product owners into tactical order takers
“What I've seen that doesn't work here is that you are basically making these product owners order takers. They are extremely tactical.”
Melissa Perri Nov 10, 2024 ▶ 34:35 Everything you’ve ever wanted to know about SAFe and the product owner role | Melissa Perri
Nov 10, 2024 neutral
Assertion Contradicted
Rachitsky: Product owner is the third-fastest-growing US tech role
“The product owner role was the third fastest growing role in tech. And this was just in the U S the data I was looking at, but I think it's probably true broadly.”
Lenny Rachitsky Nov 10, 2024 ▶ 2:31 Everything you’ve ever wanted to know about SAFe and the product owner role | Melissa Perri
Nov 10, 2024 negative
Insight
Perri: Organizations should eliminate separate product owner and PM titles
“Get rid of these two different titles because it's confusing everybody. I've seen companies... I've seen companies with 47 different titles for product managers.”
Melissa Perri Nov 10, 2024 ▶ 1:12:36 Everything you’ve ever wanted to know about SAFe and the product owner role | Melissa Perri
Nov 10, 2024 positive
Insight
Perri: All product owners should fundamentally be product managers
“Take Scrum away. You still need product management, right? Like product owner doesn't exist without Scrum. That's not a thing, but you still need product managers. And that's why all product owners should be product managers. They should be fundamentally produ…”
Melissa Perri Nov 10, 2024 ▶ 56:15 Everything you’ve ever wanted to know about SAFe and the product owner role | Melissa Perri
Mar 30, 2025 negative
Insight
Singer: Non-builder Scrum tickets hide dangerous unknowns
“The person who's writing the ticket doesn't actually understand the work that's involved. You know what I mean? So there are so many unknowns and time bombs waiting in those tickets that sound reasonable, but they weren't really created by the person who under…”
Ryan Singer Mar 30, 2025 ▶ 1:04:55 A better way to plan, build, and ship products | Ryan Singer (creator of “Shape Up")
May 15, 2025 negative
Insight
Zlokazov: Delegating customer research filters out vital user nuances
“When you delegate such an important thing as customer research and collecting their feedback to someone, you will get refined the filtered version. You won't get this, you know, like these nuances of how people describe things, which emotions they feel like, a…”
Dmitry Zlokazov May 15, 2025 ▶ 23:53 How Revolut trains world-class PMs: The “Local CEO” model, raw intellect & building wow products
May 15, 2025
Disclosure
Revolut product owners act as direct line managers for their cross-functional teams
“We have these fully cross-functional teams meaning they are stuffed with all necessary functions, engineers, data analysts, designers operation managers, and so on. And we also operate in metrics. So everyone has a line manager and the functional manager. So p…”
Dmitry Zlokazov May 15, 2025 ▶ 8:43 How Revolut trains world-class PMs: The “Local CEO” model, raw intellect & building wow products
May 15, 2025
Insight
Zlokazov: A product that is 99% done is closer to zero than 100%
“And if something is 99% done, it's closer to zero percent rather than a hundred percent.”
Dmitry Zlokazov May 15, 2025 ▶ 56:17 How Revolut trains world-class PMs: The “Local CEO” model, raw intellect & building wow products
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