engineering management

3 statements across 2 episodes · 1 bullish · 1 bearish · 2 people on the record · first statement Sep 15, 2024 by Camille Fournier · across every show →

Everything said about engineering management, oldest first

Sep 15, 2024
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Fournier: Engineers need roughly 10 years coding before entering management
“So I do think it's probably a like somewhere in the 10 year range of like really having spent a lot of your time over those years in writing code and, you know, really understanding how to be a technical expert.”
Camille Fournier Sep 15, 2024 ▶ 33:03 The things engineers are desperate for PMs to understand | Camille Fournier (“The Manager’s Path”)
Sep 15, 2024 negative
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Fournier: Engineers cannot effectively double as product managers for very long
“The actual details and focus of the product work is just, you can't write a bunch of code or, and, or manage like a big soft software engineering team and be a product manager at the same time. That's actually just asking, I think too much of people to do that…”
Camille Fournier Sep 15, 2024 ▶ 59:43 The things engineers are desperate for PMs to understand | Camille Fournier (“The Manager’s Path”)
Mar 1, 2026 positive
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Wen: Design managers need hands-on IC rotations like engineering managers
“I think traditionally at least what I've seen a lot of like the engineering disciplines, like when they hire EMs or even sometimes like directors there, they actually make the EMs like take a rotation for a few months and pick up a few tasks. And really unders…”
Jenny Wen Mar 1, 2026 ▶ 40:03 The design process is dead. Here’s what’s replacing it. | Jenny Wen (head of design at Claude)
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