Tech narrative cycles oscillate between hype and pessimism divorced from fundamentals
Sheila Joglekar Vashee · Playing it safe with marketing is the riskiest thing you can do | Sheila Joglekar Vashee (Figma CMO) · Jun 4, 2026 · at 16:51
Sheila Joglekar Vashee, CMO of Figma and early Dropbox marketing leader, discusses how public sentiment and momentum fluctuate across tech cycles regardless of company fundamentals.
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“And what you often see, and all these companies go through, is, like, the cycle around the clock. Like, you're really hot, then people, then there's the contrarian views, then everybody, you know, is down on you, and then there's the contrarian views, and then you're really hot again. And every company goes through that. And sometimes it's completely divorced from the fundamentals of the business.”
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