Persona co-founder and CEO Rick Song discusses different founder archetypes and motivations, contrasting pure company builders with product visionaries.
“I actually think a very fine motivation is just a desire to build a company. I actually think some of the best companies out there is just like a desire of any company and just in relentless desire to build that.”
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