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Jun 2, 2021 · 15m · founders-journal

Fight for Your Customers

Alex Lieberman · 14m spoken
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Morning Brew co-founder Alex Lieberman explains why entrepreneurs must manually fight for every customer using unscalable grassroots tactics to build a strong foundation for compounding, long-term business growth.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Alex holds 99.9% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Alex as informed peer 0.0 Guest teaching 0.0 Guest disagreement 0.0 Alex pushing back 0.0
05100:0010:000:00–4:43 · Alex as informed peer 0/10 A Community Goal: 500 Apple Podcast Reviews Alex opens with a community housekeeping call to reach 500 reviews before transitioning into a monologue on Paul Graham's startup advice regarding non-scalable growth. There is no guest dialogue or dynamic to score.4:43–6:58 · Alex as informed peer 0/10 Analyzing Scalable Versus Unscalable Marketing Channels Alex outlines scalable channels like paid ads and SEO versus unscalable approaches with only minimal affirmative interjections from background listeners, leaving no combative dynamic or pushback.6:59–13:43 · Alex as informed peer 0/10 Morning Brew's Four-Step Customer Acquisition Journey Alex delivers an extended solo breakdown of Morning Brew's four customer acquisition stages from manual email listservs to college ambassadors and referral programs.13:43–15:28 · Alex as informed peer 0/10 Retaining Customers and the Ongoing Fight for Growth Alex wraps up the solo episode by reflecting on avoiding the leaky bucket syndrome and continuing to fight for customers regardless of company size.0:00–4:43 · Guest teaching 0/10 A Community Goal: 500 Apple Podcast Reviews Alex opens with a community housekeeping call to reach 500 reviews before transitioning into a monologue on Paul Graham's startup advice regarding non-scalable growth. There is no guest dialogue or dynamic to score.4:43–6:58 · Guest teaching 0/10 Analyzing Scalable Versus Unscalable Marketing Channels Alex outlines scalable channels like paid ads and SEO versus unscalable approaches with only minimal affirmative interjections from background listeners, leaving no combative dynamic or pushback.6:59–13:43 · Guest teaching 0/10 Morning Brew's Four-Step Customer Acquisition Journey Alex delivers an extended solo breakdown of Morning Brew's four customer acquisition stages from manual email listservs to college ambassadors and referral programs.13:43–15:28 · Guest teaching 0/10 Retaining Customers and the Ongoing Fight for Growth Alex wraps up the solo episode by reflecting on avoiding the leaky bucket syndrome and continuing to fight for customers regardless of company size.0:00–4:43 · Guest disagreement 0/10 A Community Goal: 500 Apple Podcast Reviews Alex opens with a community housekeeping call to reach 500 reviews before transitioning into a monologue on Paul Graham's startup advice regarding non-scalable growth. There is no guest dialogue or dynamic to score.4:43–6:58 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Analyzing Scalable Versus Unscalable Marketing Channels Alex outlines scalable channels like paid ads and SEO versus unscalable approaches with only minimal affirmative interjections from background listeners, leaving no combative dynamic or pushback.6:59–13:43 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Morning Brew's Four-Step Customer Acquisition Journey Alex delivers an extended solo breakdown of Morning Brew's four customer acquisition stages from manual email listservs to college ambassadors and referral programs.13:43–15:28 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Retaining Customers and the Ongoing Fight for Growth Alex wraps up the solo episode by reflecting on avoiding the leaky bucket syndrome and continuing to fight for customers regardless of company size.0:00–4:43 · Alex pushing back 0/10 A Community Goal: 500 Apple Podcast Reviews Alex opens with a community housekeeping call to reach 500 reviews before transitioning into a monologue on Paul Graham's startup advice regarding non-scalable growth. There is no guest dialogue or dynamic to score.4:43–6:58 · Alex pushing back 0/10 Analyzing Scalable Versus Unscalable Marketing Channels Alex outlines scalable channels like paid ads and SEO versus unscalable approaches with only minimal affirmative interjections from background listeners, leaving no combative dynamic or pushback.6:59–13:43 · Alex pushing back 0/10 Morning Brew's Four-Step Customer Acquisition Journey Alex delivers an extended solo breakdown of Morning Brew's four customer acquisition stages from manual email listservs to college ambassadors and referral programs.13:43–15:28 · Alex pushing back 0/10 Retaining Customers and the Ongoing Fight for Growth Alex wraps up the solo episode by reflecting on avoiding the leaky bucket syndrome and continuing to fight for customers regardless of company size.

speaking balance: gold is Alex, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 5:59 Listeners affirm Alex's marketing channel analysis

In an episode without hostile pushback, this moment features brief affirmative interjections from background voices as Alex challenges the assumption that marketing can rely solely on scalable channels.

 Hardest push from Alex ▶ 6:10 Challenging reliance on paid marketing alone

Alex forcefully pushes back against founders becoming addicted strictly to paid social ads or SEO, warning that their business growth will inevitably stall.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 2:40 Alex explains exponential customer compounding

Alex educates listeners on how a modest 10 percent weekly growth rate transforms a 10-customer starting base into over 200,000 customers within two years.

 Alex holds their own ▶ 8:05 Alex shares real-world classroom pitching tactics

Alex demonstrates deep domain expertise by citing the high conversion rates of physical sign-up sheets over digital signups when pitching college students in person.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicAlex as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementAlex pushing backWhy
A Community Goal: 500 Apple Podcast Reviews 0000 Alex opens with a community housekeeping call to reach 500 reviews before transitioning into a monologue on Paul Graham's startup advice regarding non-scalable growth. There is no guest dialogue or dynamic to score.
Analyzing Scalable Versus Unscalable Marketing Channels 0000 Alex outlines scalable channels like paid ads and SEO versus unscalable approaches with only minimal affirmative interjections from background listeners, leaving no combative dynamic or pushback.
Morning Brew's Four-Step Customer Acquisition Journey 0000 Alex delivers an extended solo breakdown of Morning Brew's four customer acquisition stages from manual email listservs to college ambassadors and referral programs.
Retaining Customers and the Ongoing Fight for Growth 0000 Alex wraps up the solo episode by reflecting on avoiding the leaky bucket syndrome and continuing to fight for customers regardless of company size.

Statements from this episode (6)

Insight
Sustained growth requires relying on unscalable marketing strategies over time
“All of this is to say that I think most marketing strategies are unscalable, and if you plan to do anything but deploy a combination of unscalable marketing strategies in the early days of your business, and honestly, in the later days of your business too, yo…”
Alex Lieberman Jun 2, 2021 ▶ 6:09
Insight
Lieberman: Over-reliance on paid ads or SEO inevitably slows company growth
“I can tell you from seeing it, companies get addicted to spending money on paid marketing on platforms or get addicted to just SEO. Then they find their growth slowing and they have no other ways to grow because they haven't thought about it proactively.”
Alex Lieberman Jun 2, 2021 ▶ 6:37
Insight
Physical signup sheets converted better than asking students to visit a website
“We passed around sheets of paper. We asked people to write down their email addresses. Fun fact, that was the highest converting way to make Announcements asking people to take out their computers, go to our website and type in their email addresses was way lo…”
Alex Lieberman Jun 2, 2021 ▶ 9:30
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Morning Brew's campus ambassadors drove 5,000 to 10,000 subscribers per semester
“And so that ambassador program was our largest growth strategy at Morning Brew, probably for the first two and a half years of the business. It's what allowed us to grow, call it by five to 10,000 new subscribers a semester.”
Alex Lieberman Jun 2, 2021 ▶ 11:21
Disclosure
Morning Brew modeled its famous referral program on Harry's Razors
“We originally built our referral program by copying the approach that Harry's razors had when they launched.”
Alex Lieberman Jun 2, 2021 ▶ 12:39
Assertion Supported
Over 300,000 Morning Brew readers have made at least one referral
“We have three million subscribers today and over 300,000 people have gotten at least one referral.”
Alex Lieberman Jun 2, 2021 ▶ 13:28
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