Apr 25, 2023 · 49m · founders-journal
Gaining 150k Followers From One Video + Jesse Reveals His New Business
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In this episode of The Crazy Ones, Alex Lieberman and Jesse Pujji explore the power laws of viral content creation, operational frameworks like Marc Benioff's management cadence, and the strategic value of building businesses around verified inbound demand as Jesse reveals his new private equity due diligence venture.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Alex holds 36.5% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Alex as informed peer 5.4 Guest teaching 4.7 Guest disagreement 1.4 Alex pushing back 1.6
speaking balance: gold is Alex, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 7:06 Jesse challenges Alex's viral content framing
Jesse interjects to counter the hit-driven framing of social media success, pointing out that celebrating singular viral videos is misleading without highlighting the hundreds of low-view practice videos required to build the skill.
Hardest push from Alex ▶ 22:40 Alex challenges Jesse on enterprise CEO complexityAlex refuses to accept that managing massive enterprise organizations is fundamentally different in skill requirements, arguing that direct reports and organizational layers remain relatively constant whether running $100M or multi-billion dollar businesses.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 14:25 Jesse dismantles Alex's 'should' mindset regarding conversion metricsJesse breaks down Alex's frustration over startup metrics by explaining that fixating on arbitrary targets creates unproductive emotional distress instead of objective ownership over conversion variables.
Alex holds their own ▶ 3:32 Alex outlines the power law mechanics of creator growthAlex demonstrates deep mastery over content distribution by explaining how 90% of aggregate growth comes from top-decile viral posts and walking through his process for translating Shark Tank into street-interview short videos.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Alex as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Alex pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| The Power Law of Viral Short-Form Content | 8 | 1 | 1 | 0 | Alex leads the discussion by breaking down the power law of short-form social content across Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. He articulates his framework for remixing existing successful formats like Shark Tank into 60-second digital-first videos. | |
| Navigating Content Fatigue and Long-Term Consistency | 7 | 3 | 3 | 1 | Jesse politely pushes back on the virality framing, pointing out that focusing solely on hits can mislead creators by ignoring the grind of 500 unglamorous videos. Alex builds on this by explaining the need for continuous format R&D to combat platform fatigue. | |
| Startup Emotional Rollercoasters and Conversion Optimization | 4 | 6 | 2 | 1 | Alex vents about the emotional toll of poor website conversion rates for The Plunge. Jesse acts as an executive coach, breaking down how using words like 'should' induces unnecessary stress and offering a constructive mindset framework. | |
| Structuring Reflection and the Weekly Review Framework | 6 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Alex details the structured weekly review document he uses to assess weekly wins, failures, and priorities. Jesse complements Alex's system with his 'facts versus stories' operational framework. | |
| Management at Scale and the Marc Benioff Framework | 5 | 5 | 2 | 5 | Jesse shares Marc Benioff's simple quarterly versus weekly review threshold at Salesforce. Alex pushes back and probes whether operating at a multi-billion dollar scale genuinely demands fundamentally different core management skills compared to mid-market businesses. | |
| Execution Sprints, 90-Day Cycles, and Pivoting Kahani | 4 | 5 | 1 | 1 | Jesse describes how two-week sprints and 90-day cycles surfaced clear market feedback at Kahani after 75 sales meetings. He details pivoting their entire value proposition to social video embedding on brand websites. | |
| Overcoming Vision Bias to Solve Real Customer Problems | 5 | 6 | 1 | 3 | Alex asks Jesse how he psychologically reconciles abandoning a grand founder vision for a practical feature pivot. Jesse drops the memorable takeaway that buyers don't buy visions, they buy solutions to acute pain points. | |
| Analyzing Organic Demand: Growth Assistant vs. Kahani | 4 | 6 | 1 | 1 | Jesse contrasts the strong pull demand for Growth Assistant with the push dynamics of Kahani. He explains how scaling operational services depends on systematizing founder intuition into structured organizational processes. | |
| Jesse Reveals His New Private Equity Due Diligence Business | 4 | 6 | 2 | 3 | Jesse reveals his new venture providing growth marketing due diligence for private equity sponsors. Alex asks for clarification compared to expert networks like GLG, and Jesse distinguishes it as comprehensive strategic due diligence modeled on Bain or McKinsey. | |
| Operator Alignment and Validating Organic Inbound Demand | 7 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Alex synthesizes two underlying strategic moves Jesse made: prioritizing operator-business fit over rigid startup concepts and capturing existing organic inbound demand. | |
| Time Management, Cognitive Load, and Servant Leadership | 6 | 5 | 1 | 1 | Alex asks Jesse to score his cognitive load across four concurrent ventures. Jesse shares his practice of removing himself from active Slack channels and acting as a servant leader during weekly syncs. | |
| AMA: Allocating a $5,000 Paid Marketing Budget | 5 | 6 | 1 | 1 | Answering a listener question on allocating a $5,000 paid marketing budget, Jesse recommends search keywords, referral incentives, and disciplined $50/day Meta ad experiments. Alex adds a recommendation for testing Pinterest ads for styling services. |
Statements from this episode (15)
Alex Lieberman: 10% of social content drives 90% of audience growth
“There very much is kind of this power law of there are, let's call it. 10% of your, whether it's tweets, Whether it's your TikTok videos, whether it's your YouTube videos that contribute to 90% of your followers or subscribers.”
Alex Lieberman gained 210,000 of his 243,000 Twitter followers from four threads
“Like right now, I think I have 243,000 followers on Twitter. 210,000 of those followers came from three or four threads.”
Alex Lieberman gained 100,000 of his 107,000 TikTok followers from four videos
“Of the 105 or 107,000 followers I have on TikTok. I think a 100,000 of them came from three or four videos.”
Alex Lieberman's video views dropped from 700k peak to under 4k recently
“My last three, 62nd startups got 2000 views, a thousand views, and 3800 views. And just for context, like my most watched 62nd startup had 600,000 or 700,000 views.”
Alex Lieberman aims for 4,000 one-dollar Kickstarter reservations for The Plunge
“Our goal is to raise 300,000 dollars on Kickstarter, which means we need 4000 people who have put down a dollar reservation by all measures relative to that.”
Alex Lieberman admits his new game is missing early Kickstarter reservation targets
“We should on average be having a couple hundred dollar reservations every week, and we're not even close to that right now.”
Pujji: Operational review meetings should strictly separate facts from explanatory stories
“One of the things we've overlaid on top of that, and I, I'll, you know, this format is like facts versus stories. And so we, you know, we try to get people really tight on, I don't want to hear spin in that meeting.”
Jesse Pujji: Every business problem can be solved with a weekly meeting
“I think every problem can get solved with a weekly meeting.”
Salesforce CEO Marc Benioff requires weekly meetings if leaders miss 20% growth
“Everybody submits a plan, and typically that plan has to grow a minimum of 20%, because that's just, like, Mark Benioff's thing. We grow 20% every year. And if you're hitting the plan, you meet with him once a quarter. And if you're missing the plan, you meet …”
Jesse Pujji: Confident Scaling to $25M, Uncertain About $250M+
“I feel pretty confident I could scale a business to twenty five million dollars. You know, I've done it multiple times. I don't know if I could scale one to 250 or to 2.5 billion.”
Pujji: Customers requested Growth Assistant for years, unlike Kahani
“People were asking me for growth assistant, not in those words for years, years, like forever. And then it's like, okay, now it popped up and it jumped off and nobody has been asking me for Connie. Right. No one was like, yeah, I wish this was happening.”
Jesse Pujji launches a growth marketing due diligence business for PE firms
“We're starting that for growth marketing because every week, every month without fail, maybe more, I get a call or an email from a friend.”
Jesse Pujji: Executives should leave operational Slack channels to force team synthesis
“I don't think it's good actually for me to be in these channels. Like, I think it's important that I'm not, actually, because when I'm in them, then it feels like, oh, Jesse's alongside. He knows what's going on, and even we had our first version of those meet…”