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Nadella: Microsoft refused OpenAI requests for dedicated multi-gigawatt compute clusters
“Sometimes you may have to say no to some of the demand, including some of the open AI demand, right? Because sometimes, you know, Sam may say, hey, build me a dedicated, you know, big, you know, whatever, multi-gigawatt data center in one location for training…”
Nadella: Business apps will collapse as AI agents replace business logic
“That's probably where they'll all collapse, right, in the agent era, because if you think about it, right, they are essentially CRUD databases with a bunch of business logic. The business logic is all going to these agents.”
Nadella: Traditional SaaS Apps Will Collapse into AI Agent Logic Tiers
“The SaaS applications, or biz apps, so let me just speak of our own dynamics thing. The approach, at least, we're taking is, I think the notion that business applications exist That's probably where they'll all collapse, right, in the agent era, because if you…”
Nadella confirms Microsoft owns approximately 27% of OpenAI on diluted basis
“Yeah, it does. But I would say before even our stake in it, Brad, I think what's pretty unique about OpenAI is the fact that as part of OpenAI's process of restructuring, one of the largest nonprofit gets created.”
Nadella: Microsoft's bottleneck is power and warm shells, not chip supply
“Quite frankly, the biggest issue we are now having is not a compute blood, but it's a power, and it's sort of the ability to get the bills done fast enough close to power. So if you can't do that, you may actually have a bunch of chips sitting in inventory tha…”
Nadella: Microsoft's $13.5B OpenAI investment was equity, not booked as Azure revenue
“Our investment of let's say that 13 and a half, which was all the training investment, that was not booked as revenue. That is the reason why we have the equity percentage. That's the reason why we have the 27% or a hundred and thirty-five billion. So that was…”
Nadella: Only four AI products qualify as true hit applications
“In fact, we talk a lot more about AI scale, but there is not that many hit apps, right? There is ChatGPT, GitHub Copilot, there's Copilot, and there's Gemini. I think those are the four. I would say in a DAO, like, is there anything else that comes to your min…”
Nadella expects AI to lower total people costs while raising cost per head
“So I think headcount will, in fact, one of the ways I look at it and say is our total people costs will go down, our cost per head will go up, And my GPU per researcher will go up.”
Nadella: State AI Regulatory Patchwork Disproportionately Harms Startups
“I mean, I think the fundamental problem of you know, this patchwork approach is quite frankly, I mean, between OpenAI and Microsoft, we'll figure out a way to navigate this, right? I mean we can figure this out. The problem is anyone starting a startup and try…”
Nadella: Bill Gates was skeptical of Microsoft's initial $1B OpenAI investment
“Obviously you go to the board and say, hey, I have an idea of taking a billion dollars and giving it to this crazy structure, which we don't even kind of understand. What is it? It's a nonprofit, blah, blah, blah. And saying, go for it. There was a debate. Bil…”
Nadella: Microsoft has royalty-free access to OpenAI IP for seven years
“Not only we have the exclusivity of the model in Azure, but we have access to the IP. I mean, having a royalty free, let's even forgetting all the know how and the knowledge side of it, but having royalty free access all the way till seven more years gives us …”
Nadella: Copilot Suite Is Microsoft's True High-Margin Business Over Azure
“Some of times our investors are overly fixated on the Azure number. But remember, for me, the high margin business for me is co-pilot. It is security co-pilot. It's GitHub co-pilot. It's the healthcare co-pilot. So we want to make sure we have a balanced way t…”
Nadella: At massive scale, nothing in cloud infrastructure is a commodity
“Everything is a commodity, right? Compute, storage. I remember everybody saying, wow, how can there be a margin? Except at scale, nothing is a commodity.”
Nadella: High-ARPU, low-usage SaaS apps face disruption from AI
“And so I think the next generation of SaaS applications will have to sort of, if you are high ARPU, low usage, then you have a little bit of a problem. But if you are, we are the exact opposite. We are low ARPU, high usage.”
Nadella: GitHub replicated over a decade of activity in just one year
“What GitHub did in the first, I don't know, 15 years of its existence or 10 years of its existence, it was basically done in the last year, just because coding is no longer a tool. It's more a substitute for wages somewhere.”
Nadella: Hyperscalers will run heterogeneous hardware fleets across multiple chipmakers
“And it's not, and by the way, it's going to be heterogeneous. Obviously, Jensen's super competitive. Lisa is going to come. You know, Hawk's going to produce things from Broadcom. We will all do our own. So, there's going to be a combination. So, you want to r…”
Nadella: AI agents will replace seats in enterprise software monetization
“Whereas in the enterprise, one is it's not winner take all. And two, it is going to be a lot more friendly for agentic interaction. So it's not like, for example, the per seat versus consumption. The reality is agents are the new seats.”
Nadella: OpenAI is this generation's defining company, creating a 'Mag 8'
“If you think about open AI, in some sense, you could say it's mag eight because I think the company of this generation has already been created. Right. Which is open AI in some sense. It's kind of like the Google or the Microsoft or the meta of this era.”
Nadella: Hyperscale AI infrastructure will not be a winner-take-all market
“I don't think it's going to be winner-take-all, right? Because a lot, there may be some categories that may be winner-take-all. For example, on the hyperscale side, absolutely not, right? I mean, the world will demand, you know, even ex-China, ah, multiple pro…”
Nadella: Traditional search will break once commercial intent migrates to AI chat
“That shift, I think, is what's happening universally. And we are away, maybe one or two of these agents for shopping or travel away from even some of the commercial queries. That's the time when the dam breaks, I think, on traditional search, when some of the …”
Nadella: Google makes more money on Windows than all of Microsoft
“I mean, I always say Google makes more money on Windows than all of Microsoft. I mean, literally.”
Nadella: Apple and Google will block AI over-the-top computer use
“At the end of the day, the user will be in control on an open platform like Windows. And I'm sure Apple and, you know, Google will have a lot more control, so they won't allow it.”
Nadella: Unlikely any foundation model achieves a two-year lead again
“I don't think there will be ever again maybe a two-year lead like this. Who knows? We, you know, it's all, you say that and somebody else, you know, drops some sample and suddenly blows the world away. But that said, I think it's unlikely that that type of, yo…”
Nadella: Terms of Use Cannot Prevent Competitors From Distilling AI Models
“It's just impossible. It's kind of like piracy, right? I mean, you can sort of all kinds of terms of use, but it's impossible to control distillation.”
Nadella: AI Network Effects Reside in the App Layer, Not Models
“The network effects are in the app layer. So why would I want to spend a lot on some model capability with the network effects are all on the app layer?”
Nadella: Microsoft Will Not Run Redundant Pre-Training Duplicating OpenAI
“Well, what we won't do is do it twice, right? Because after all, we have the IP from, like, it would be silly for Microsoft today, given the partnership with OpenAI to do two unnecessary-”
Nadella: OpenAI's partnership with Apple is accretive to Microsoft shareholders
“Ultimately, these things will have some overlap, but I also, in that context, the fact that they have the Apple deal is, in some sense, for the MSFT shareholder, you know, accretive, right?”
Nadella: OpenAI has beaten every business plan presented to Microsoft
“And let me just say one thing Brad as both a partner and an investor, there is not been a single business plan that I've seen from open AI that they're put in and not beaten it.”
Nadella: Cloud AI success requires an efficient token factory and high fleet utilization
“When I look at sort of in the cloud infrastructure business, one of the key things you have to do is have two things. One is an efficient, like in this context, in a very efficient token factory, and then high utilization. That's it. There are two simple thing…”
Nadella: Microsoft does not plan to sell its OpenAI stake
“You could also say, hey, the hundred and thirty five billion dollars that is, you know, today are equity stake, you know, is sort of illiquid, what have you. We don't plan to sell it, so therefore it's got risk associated with it.”
Nadella: Copilot adoption pace is bigger than any Microsoft product in decades
“In fact, one of the things about Microsoft three six five was what was the next big thing after E five? Guess what? We found it in co-pilot. It's bigger than any suite. Like, you know, we talk about penetration and usage and the pace. It's bigger than anything…”
Nadella: Azure Growth Would Have Hit 41-42% With More Compute
“Absolutely. Absolutely. There's no question. There's no question.”
Nadella: Running OpenAI workloads accelerates Microsoft's cost curve reduction
“When you have the biggest workload there is running on your cloud, that means not only are we going to learn faster on what it means to operate with scale, that means your cost structure is going to come down faster than anything else. And guess what? That'll …”
Nadella: Microsoft manages compute capex as a single unified outlay
“My capital allocation is for the cloud from whether it is Xbox cloud gaming or Microsoft three, six, five, or for, Azure. It's one capital outlay. And then everything is a meter, as far as I'm concerned, from an MSFT perspective. It's a question of, hey, the b…”
Nadella: AI circular financing will ultimately be tested by end-user demand
“And I think circularity ultimately will be tested by demand. Because all this will work as long as there is demand for the final output of it. And up to now, that has been the case.”
Nadella: AI gives software significantly higher marginal costs, forcing business model adjustments
“Overall, it is going to be true that there is a real marginal cost to software this time around. It was there in the cloud era too. When we were doing, you know, CD-ROMs, there wasn't much of a marginal cost. You know, with the cloud, there was. And this time …”
Nadella: AI chat unit economics differ fundamentally from search due to per-query GPU costs
“Search was pretty magical in terms of its ad unit and its cost economics, because there was the index, which was a fixed cost that you could then amortize in a much more efficient way. Whereas this one, you know, each chat to your point, you have to burn a lot…”
Nadella: Microsoft will grow headcount, but with far higher leverage than pre-AI
“I will say we will grow a headcount. But the way I look at it is that headcount we grow will grow with a lot more leverage than the headcount we had pre-AI.”
Nadella: Workflow adaptation to AI will take about a year before max leverage
“And it's the unlearning and learning process that I think will take the next year or so. Then the headcount growth will come with max leverage.”
Nadella: AI agents will exponentially increase compute infrastructure demand
“When you think of an AI agent, it turns out the AI agents Is going to exponentially increase compute usage because you now are not even bound by just one human invoking a program. It's one human invoking programs that invoke lots more programs. And so that's g…”
Nadella: Microsoft allocates capital to unified cloud infrastructure rather than product silos
“To me, I've never, I don't allocate my capital thinking here is the Azure capital. Here is the M. Three, six, five capital. Here is you know, gaming. I kind of think of, hey, there's a cloud infra. That's the core theory of the firm for me. On top of it, I hav…”
Microsoft missed early deep learning opportunity with Geoffrey Hinton to Google
“In fact, even Hinton worked, like some of the early work in DNNs happened when he was in residency in MSR and then Google hired him. So we missed, I would say, even in the early 20 tens, some of what could have been doubling down at around the same time that G…”
Nadella: OpenAI Briefly Used GCP Before Returning to Microsoft for Transformers
“The first time yeah, actually, Elon and Sam, they were looking for, obviously, Azure credits, and what have you, and we gave them some credits, and that time, they were more into RL, and Dota II, and what have you, and that was interesting and then we stopped …”
Nadella: Microsoft tried for 10 years to secure an Apple search deal
“Like, I've been trying to get an Apple search deal for, like, 10 years. And so, when Tim finally did a deal with Sam, I was, like, the most thrilled person, which is better, it's better to have ChatGPT get that deal than anybody else, because we, you know, we …”
Nadella: Enterprise AI agent data access will use licensed connector interfaces
“On the enterprise side, I think what will happen is everybody will say, hey, in order for you to either action into my action space or to get data out of my sort of schema, so to speak, there is some kind of an interface to my agent that is licensed, so to spe…”
Nadella: Enterprise autonomous AI agents are one to two years away
“But I think we are maybe a year, year to two years away from doing more and more, but as in, so, but I think at least from an enterprise perspective, going and doing, here's my sales agent, here's my marketing agent, here's my supply chain agent, which can do …”
Nadella: Shopify, Stripe, and Spotify became Azure users via OpenAI APIs
“Take, you know, Shopify or Stripe or Spotify. These were not customers of Azure. They were all customers of GCP or they were customers of AWS. So suddenly we got access
Do many, many more logos who are all quote unquote digital natives who are using Azure in …”