Jun 18, 2023 · 44m · another-podcast
Vision Pro, two weeks on
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Tech analysts Benedict Evans and Tony Cowan-Brennan provide an in-depth evaluation of the Apple Vision Pro two weeks after its reveal, examining its high-end pricing, spatial computing philosophy, strategic impact on Meta, and role as the ultimate viability test for head-mounted displays.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. The hosts hold 84.4% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
The hosts as informed peer 8.3 Guest teaching 0.8 Guest disagreement 0.9 The hosts pushing back 1.4
speaking balance: gold is the hosts, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 8:51 Challenging the early adopter computing premise
Tony challenges the core positioning of the device, arguing that despite Apple's computing narrative, consumers perceive it purely as high-priced entertainment with dubious necessity.
Hardest push from the hosts ▶ 12:38 Refusing the world navigation framingBenedict immediately shuts down Tony's framing about navigating or entering worlds, clarifying that it is strictly a screen overlaying spatial computing into existing rooms.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 12:55 Charlie Warzel's peripheral vision analysisTony introduces Charlie Warzel's Atlantic analysis regarding Vision Pro targeting untouched peripheral vision real estate, adding a perspective Benedict readily incorporates.
The host holds their own ▶ 28:55 Dissecting Facebook Home's fundamental errorBenedict demonstrates deep industry knowledge by deconstructing Facebook Home's 2013 failure, proving why general computing platforms always beat single-purpose social interfaces.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | The hosts as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | The hosts pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Historical VR Trajectory and the $3,500 Price Paradigm | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Benedict delivers an extensive historical breakdown comparing the Vision Pro's $3,500 launch to the 1984 Macintosh and early mobile phone adoption curves. Tony acts purely as a supportive conversational foil. | |
| Defining Spatial Computing as Augmented Reality Hardware | 8 | 1 | 2 | 2 | Benedict articulates Apple's minimum viable product thesis of AR passthrough requiring zero latency and flawless text legibility. Tony questions whether early adopters will pay premium pricing for an entertainment-leaning device. | |
| Spatial Computing Developer Platform Versus the Metaverse | 8 | 2 | 1 | 2 | Benedict contrasts Apple's spatial computing developer platform with Meta's destination-based metaverse narrative. Tony interjects with Charlie Warzel's observations regarding peripheral vision pixel real estate. | |
| Hardware Architecture, Developer Tooling, and Use Cases | 8 | 1 | 2 | 2 | Benedict details Apple's proprietary hardware advantages including the lenticular external eye screen and custom silicon. Tony challenges the readiness of content ecosystems like live sports broadcasts, which Benedict reframes as an evolving developer canvas. | |
| Virtual Media Experiences and Platform Strategic Rivalries | 8 | 0 | 1 | 1 | Benedict hypothesizes technical trade-offs, explaining that Apple avoided showing full 360-degree immersive 3D gaming due to high-resolution compute limits. Tony adds brief observations on household device sharing. | |
| Custom Silicon Advantages and General Computing Philosophy | 9 | 0 | 0 | 1 | Benedict provides extensive financial and architecture context on Meta's $35B+ spend and contrasts Mac silicon against mobile chips. He critiques Mark Zuckerberg's historical Facebook Home miscalculation regarding general-purpose computing. | |
| The Osborne Risk and Text Rendering Binary Capability | 8 | 1 | 1 | 2 | Benedict analyzes whether Apple has Osborne'd existing headsets and argues that readable text rendering is a strict binary requirement for general computing adoption. Tony pitches multi-window use cases like election coverage. | |
| The Ultimate Destruction Test for VR Form Factors | 8 | 1 | 0 | 1 | Benedict outlines his thesis that the Vision Pro is the ultimate destruction test for headset form factors before true optical glasses or neural tech emerge. Tony supports this by citing weight fatigue from Apple's over-ear headphones. |
Statements from this episode (14)
Benedict Evans: Meta Quest has only single-digit millions of regular users
“So Meta sold maybe twenty million. That you have survey data that says that maybe 10 or 20% of people are actually using them regularly, which is not a great number. So there's like single digit numbers of millions of people using this thing.”
Benedict Evans: Vision Pro mirrors the 1984 Mac's uncertain utility and price
“In that sense, it's actually, you could kind of compare it to the Macintosh, which launches in 1984 and was over 7000 dollars in today's money. And most people still didn't know why they needed it. And I think Apple only sold like half a million in the first y…”
Benedict Evans: Apple pulled 2030's dream AR and VR hardware into 2024
“What they've done is they've taken the dream device that everyone was sort of saying we need to have and that everyone sort of thought they would have in 2030. Maybe earlier, but basically, for the sake of argument. And they're going to sell it in 2024, so it'…”
Benedict Evans: Augmented reality requires a strict visual realism threshold to work
“Whereas for AR, it either looks like it's there or it looks, or it doesn't. That's the thesis. And so it has to have that base level. And so Apple is basically saying that all the stuff that's on the market now just isn't worth selling.”
Benedict Evans: Spatial computing turns the metaverse into a mere app icon
“With a feature phone, internet was one icon on your telephone. Whereas on a smartphone, the telephone is one icon on your computer. So kind of whole thing gets kind of pulled inside out. And that's sort of the AR VR thesis here that Apple has is no metaverse i…”
Benedict Evans: Screen shortages will cap 2024 Vision Pro sales
“And so Apple will sell, pick a number, tens to low hundreds of thousands of them next year, but picking a number wildly out of thin air, apparently people in supply chain say they'll be very supply constrained on the screen.”
Benedict Evans: Cheaper Apple Vision models will drive volume sales by 2026
“And that will have sort of sales in volume in maybe twenty-twenty-five or twenty-twenty-six, and then there'll be the Vision Vision and the Vision SE and so on, and the price will slowly come down”
Benedict Evans: Productivity's future is generative AI, not bigger VR spreadsheets
“I don't think the future of productivity is seeing more columns in Excel. I think it's having an AI that builds the model for you.”
Benedict Evans: Meta has spent at least $35 billion on Reality Labs
“Meta has spent, I think, at least thirty five billion dollars on this stuff. Because they spent like over thirty billion dollars on operating losses for the Reality Labs group, offset a bit by revenue from selling hardware and games. And they bought Oculus, an…”
Benedict Evans: Apple's laptop-grade silicon gives Vision Pro an architectural advantage
“Apple is using a high-end laptop SAC in this thing because they have their own, which has massively better performance per watt than anything from Intel. Guess what Meta has to use? They have to use a smartphone chip from Volcom.”
Benedict Evans: Meta has spent up to $20,000 per active Quest user
“Yes, I was doing some back of the envelope math earlier, and like, if Meta, you know, like, depending on quite how much they've spent, quite many active users, Meta would spend somewhere between 10 and 20,000 dollars for each active user that they have on this…”
Benedict Evans: VR cannot become general computing without text-capable high-resolution screens
“You need the screen that Apple has shipped to do text at all. And you have, and you could propose that you can't do anything other than games, maybe fitness, maybe VR, maybe, maybe, maybe TV, maybe a couple of other niche things. Without text. And so VR is not…”
Benedict Evans: Vision Pro's absolute upside is iPad scale, not smartphone scale
“The best this is going to be, I think, is this is a pass to be the new iPad. It's a pass to be Hundreds of millions. That's the upside case for this, because you can't wear it everywhere. It's not something that five billion people are going to carry with them…”
Benedict Evans: If a $500 Vision Pro fails, the VR headset dies
“This is a sort of a destruction test on VR. If this doesn't make VR Work. Never mind the price. Then that's it. VR's done. ... Like if this doesn't, when this gets to 500 bugs, if it doesn't work, VR is done because this is the device. There is no, there's not…”