Pete Kazanjy (author of Founding Sales and co-founder of Atrium) discusses the fundamental role of modern B2B sales professionals versus outdated stereotypes.
“The way to kind of think about like what sellers are is they're kind of like the microeconomic agents in the market that brings supply to demand. Rather than waiting for demand to find supply, like they have supply in their back pocket and they run around trying to find people who ought to have the demand. Maybe they have the demand right now. Maybe they don't realize that they have the demand and then they like elucidate to them why they ought to have the demand.”
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“Probably, like, the most famous example of an organization that, like, maybe didn't get sales religion as quickly as they should have would be would be Dropbox.”
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