Albert Cheng: Music and growth both rely on rapid mistakes and repetition
Albert Cheng · Finding hidden growth opportunities in your product | Albert Cheng (Duolingo, Grammarly, Chess.com) · Oct 5, 2025 · at 8:20
Growth executive Albert Cheng compares the disciplines of playing classical piano and running product growth.
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“I think music and growth, they both rely on this just consistent repetition. Like you're constantly making mistakes. You have this super tight feedback loop. You have to get really resilient to just making mistakes all the time. And you know that the way of learning is through those mistakes, right?”
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