Nguyen: Optimizing AI models constantly causes capability regressions across all labs
Karina Nguyen · OpenAI researcher on why soft skills are the future of work | Karina Nguyen · Feb 9, 2025 · at 24:20
OpenAI researcher Karina Nguyen explains why evaluation is an art, noting that fine-tuning models for specific behaviors constantly risks regressing other capabilities across AI labs.
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“If you optimize the model for this behavior, like, you kind of don't want to, like, brain damage in, like, other areas of intelligence, or, and this is happening, like, all the time in every lab and every, like, research team.”
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