Weil: Organizations should stay PM-light to prevent micromanagement
Kevin Weil · OpenAI’s CPO on how AI changes must-have skills, moats, coding, startup playbooks, more | Kevin Weil · Apr 10, 2025 · at 48:25
OpenAI CPO Kevin Weil explains his philosophy on PM-to-engineer ratios and why organizations should avoid hiring too many product managers.
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“Too many PMs causes problems. You know, we'll like fill the world with decks and ideas versus execution. So I think that the, I think it's a good thing when you have a PM that has that is working with maybe slightly too many engineers, because it means that they're not going to get in and micromanage.”
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